Shree Mulay on the Founding of the South Asian Women’s Community Centre

This ten-minute audio clip is of feminist activist Shree Mulay talking about the founding of the South Asian Women’s Community Centre in Montreal in the early 1980s. She talks about the initial consultation and planning, the vision for the centre, and some of the challenges they faced when their activities first expanded to supporting women experiencing violence.

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Shree Mulay

I interviewed Shree Mulay in Montreal. She came to Canada from India in 1964 to do a PhD in Biochemistry and, later, to pursue a career as a scientist and academic. When we spoke, she was a Professor in the Department of Medicine and director of the Centre for Research and Teaching on Women at McGill University. She first became politically active as a graduate student in the movement against the war in Vietnam. In the 1970s, she became involved with an activist network of Indian expats called the Indian People’s Association of North America, initially in opposition to repressive activities by Indira Gandhi’s government in India but later in response to more local issues in the cities in which the members were living. In Montreal, Mulay and other IPANA members founded what eventually came to be known as the South Asian Women’s Community Centre (SAWCC). Mulay served on its board for decades. As the mainstream women’s movements in Quebec and Canada responded to challenges from women of colour in the 1990s and became more responsive to their issues, both Mulay and SAWCC found ways to become increasingly connected and involved. Mulay has been active in the women’s movement in both local and national capacities for many years.

Material from Mulay on the site:

  • A ten-minute audio clip of her talking about the founding of the South Asian Women’s Community Centre in the early 1980s:

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Project FaceBook Page

The Talking Radical project and its affiliated books, Gender and Sexuality: Canadian History Through the Stories of Activists and Resisting the State: Canadian History Through the Stories of Activists, now have a FaceBook page. If you are on FaceBook, please click through that link and then click “Like” once you’re on the page, and you can use that to keep up with developments in the project, milestones as the books approach publication, and all of the tidbits, snapshots, and sample material I’ll be posting in the coming months. Thanks!

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Interview Excerpt from John Friesen

The following is an excerpt from the interview I did with John Friesen, a long-time union activist with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers in Winnipeg. He talks here about his participation in rank-and-file and shop steward organizing in his local in Winnipeg in the late 1970s:

SN: Tell me more about some of the conflicts between the rank and file and the local leadership.

JF: [laugh] I don’t know how much I want to get into this! For the first two or three years there were some people in the local here that wanted to keep things in a very unmobilized sense, and wanted to keep control in a very precise sense. They had come out of the military and they had come out of a different time. It wasn’t a very political local. I was getting more information when I came to regional conferences and educationals; I ended up making more contacts with people outside the local, people in Edmonton and Vancouver and different people like that who would give me information about what they are doing there, so that we could start to mobilize and change the leadership here. It took a period of time but we were able to do that. [laugh] It did take a very intense period of time, and sometimes it wasn’t very much fun.

SN: What did that involve?

JF: It involved a lot of personal conflicts with individuals, so that they understood that you were going to stay there and that you were going to demand certain things of them. It also involved a lot of mobilization within my own section of work, and different sections in the Post Office, to make sure that I could give a presence on the work floor that we could mobilize around different issues. Also, to challenge the leadership within the local. We did that as well.

SN: You were obviously working in a particular section and were able to talk with the people that you worked with. Did you have allies in other sections?

JF: Yes. We built camps eventually through union meetings. You get to meet other people who are militants in their own sections, and at the shop steward meetings that we used to have. We built a really strong shop stewards body; that was probably the first thing we did here in Winnipeg when I was part of the local, is build a very strong shop stewards body out of that militancy. There was a difference between the executive and the shop stewards body itself, which became a threat to the whole executive. That was probably the most successful way of winning that over.

SN: How did you go about building the shop stewards body?

JF: Just by taking on different campaigns, mobilizing around different management programs on the work floor, mobilizing around individual supervisors on the workfloor, and to some degree taking over the work floor in places where we could. And making sure that management had to go through the shops stewards body rather than just through the executive if they wanted to change what was going on in the work floor. That was very successful.

SN: In terms of the powers that each had, how was, for example, the local executive able to interfere with the organizing that the stewards were doing?

JF: At the beginning they tried to keep total control of it, not giving the shop stewards body any leverage. Everything had to go through the executive. We took the by laws of the local and we challenged those. We put in notices of motion to change the bylaws at different meetings, mobilized people to fight for those changes. When I first became the vice-president of the Winnipeg local in 1978, one of the first things we did was try to make an amendment to the local by laws that any consultation with management had to be done not just by the president, but by the president, the secretary-treasurer, and the vice-president, so you had three people there at all times instead of just one. Those kinds of subtle changes. Also, requirements for shop stewards – before that they were appointed positions by the executive. We got elections by the people on the floor. That’s another one. The criteria for delegates, how they get selected and how they get elected; those were changes that we made.
We fought around the by-laws of the local as well as fought, in local meetings, around different issues. For instance, and I might be wrong, but I guess it was around 1979 or 1980 when Joe Zukin was running for mayor. Joe Zukin was the Labour Election Party candidate. We had never taken a political position on anybody running for mayor, but from a recommendation of the shop stewards body we got it on the floor of the meeting and passed the resolution that we endorsed Joe Zukin for mayor. We were probably the only union to endorse Joe Zukin for mayor at that time. The executive, the named officers, weren’t very happy about that. They were getting the sense that they were losing power, and that power was now becoming the power of the shop stewards body and the membership at large taking over the local.

SN: A lot of what I’ve learned about unionism is through friends who work at Stelco in Hamilton. Specifically I’m thinking about party involvement in politics within the local – the different Communist parties and the NDP vying for support, and so on. Was that a factor at all with the Postal Workers?

JF: Not here. I can’t say that generally about everywhere, but not here. I don’t think you could really find too much in terms of partisan politics, in terms of the membership. I mean, working during strikes there was certainly a lot of the left and support groups around the strikes. Basically every left group had people within those strike support committees. But did it have an overriding [impact]? No, I don’t think so. There were people who were attached to parties, whether they were Trotskyists, whether they were Communist Party. There was also probably as many anarchists as anything – you know, Zero Work and different groups like that that were involved in a lot of the shop floor stuff. Not really any of them had a lot of influence in that way.

SN: How did that shop stewards’ organizing and the organizing start to translate into electoral victories within the local, like a “reform slate” (if that was the way it was put)?

JF: I think that all the candidates for change came out of the shop stewards body. We were very successful in building our shop stewards body to be a fight-back committee within the local as well as a functioning shop stewards body. If anything there was kind of a relationship between a lot of the shop stewards within the committee that looked more at the English example of what a shop stewards committee can be. In terms of the strikes around ’78, we started flying pickets, which hadn’t been done in the local before. The shop stewards body did a lot of strike support around the city from 1978 on. On a regular basis we used to demonstrate and leaflet in front of MPs’ offices around different issues. We tried to function within the Winnipeg Labour Council as a group – I guess as much from the local as from the shop stewards body for that. The main support was seeing that the shop stewards body could never be destroyed in this union, because it is fundamentally a part of the constitution. The way things were set up it was probably the easiest place to organize to try and take-over the local, in terms of a progressive take-over of the local.

SN: What were the issues with management from those years?

JF: The big issue with management was the control over automation and technological change. We had a lot of machines coming in at that point. People were very suspect of those machines. We had a lot of work stoppages and a lot of potential work stoppages around those machines. There was a lot less emphasis on the grievance process to solve the matter and a lot less emphasis that somehow experts with health and safety knowledge were going to cure the problems for those machines. People had a basic mistrust of the machines, that they were going to take away their jobs or change their jobs to a position where they couldn’t do them any longer. That worked in our favour in terms of mobilizing people on the shop floor, a lot more than nowadays. I think that now we are a lot more dependent on our grievance procedure, our arbitration procedure, our health and safety procedure, our thinking that the leadership is going to solve the problems. I think at that time people really did say, “I’ve got to solve the problem.” We could mobilize people on the work floor a lot easier than we can today. Also, there were a lot more full-time jobs at that time; now there are a lot more temporary employees, a lot more part-time employees, who are harder to mobilize. Especially in terms of temporary employees: At that time we had none. Now, a large part of your workplace is temporaries, and a large part of your workplace, when they are temporaries, have two or three different job. Their stake is not at this job; their stake is at two or three jobs. I think it was a lot easier to mobilize then. There were also younger people in the workplace. The age was a lot younger than it is now; I think the average age of a postal work is forty-six. At that time [laugh] it certainly wasn’t that. It’s easier to mobilize people when they are younger than when they are older and have been there twenty or thirty years.

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John Friesen

John Friesen is a long-time resident of Winnipeg and a labour activist. His father was a union activist on the railway and was active in the CCF and, later, the NDP. During his interview he talked about memories of being on picket lines as a child, experiences of poverty growing up, and his attempts to live some of his left political commitments as student council president in high school. As a young man he spent time in Toronto, Vancouver (where he worked on the railway and was active in his union), and Europe. He returned to Winnipeg in the mid ’70s and got hired at the Post Office. In his early years in the Canadian Union of Postal Workers he was part of the youth rank-and-file and shop steward agitation against both the company and a more conservative leadership in the local. At the time of our interview, he was the Education and Organization Officer for the Prairie Region of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.

Material from Friesen on the site:

  • Transcript excerpt where he talks about some of his experiences in rank-and-file and shop steward organizing in his CUPW local in the late 1970s.

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Madeleine Parent, Rest in Peace

The following is a post I first published on my personal blog on March 12, 2012, when I heard of the death of Madeleine Parent the night before at the age of 93. Her words are at the centre of Chapter 2 of Gender and Sexuality: Canadian History Through the Stories of Activists. Here’s what I had to say:

I am very sad to report that I just learned (via an email, so I have no link) of the death of Madeleine Parent at the age of 93. My condolences to her family and friends.

Madeleine was a long-time radical participant in struggles for justice and liberation. She was involved in Canada’s first student movement at McGill University in the years before the Second World War. She was a tireless labour and feminist organizer over the course of decades. I met her in the course of doing oral history interviews with long-time Canadian activists. Her account of her central role in the titanic and victorious strike by mainly women workers at the Dominion Textile Company in 1946 is at the heart of one of the chapters of my book Gender and Sexuality: Canadian History Through the Stories of Activists (forthcoming from Fernwood Publishing later in 2012 along with a companion volume called Resisting the State — see here if you want to know more).

Madeleine was a persistent thorn in the side of quasi-fascist Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis, whose harassment of her included charges of seditious conspiracy that were kept alive for years by corrupt courts in the province. She became a central fixture of the independent leftist labour scene in the country and was a core organizer for a small but tenacious independent Canadian trade union central that waged a number of ideologically important strikes in the ’60s and ’70s and pushed both the larger trade union centrals and the U.S.-based international unions in more progressive directions. Her involvement in the women’s movement was similarly important and longstanding. A government-funded women’s conference in the early 1970s was convened to consider the recommendations of the Royal Commission on the Status of Women. It was poised to recommend a state-affiliated body to oversee the implementation of the report, but she and a small group of radical women at the conference felt this was not enough so they stayed up late into the night strategizing and mobilizing and were successful in moving the bulk of conference participants towards a call for an independent, national coalition of women’s organizations. This eventually became the National Action Committee on the Status of Women (NAC), the most important national-level body for feminist struggles in Canada for many years. Parent was a consistent and radical voice at NAC and at its Quebec equivalent, the Fédération des femmes du Québec, and she played a role in brokering the more active inclusion of groups of women of colour in both of those sites in the 1990s.

I had the pleasure of interviewing Madeleine in the early 2000s. She was frail already by that point, but she spoke very firmly and with a kind of deliberation and care no doubt bred of so many years of radical involvement. I went away and transcribed her interview and sent it to her for approval. And I waited. And I waited. Every few months for a couple of years, I called her on the phone and asked patiently and politely if she had had a chance to go through the transcript. She always answered with similar patience and also, I always felt, with a glint of amusement, saying that she had not had a chance to do so but she would do it soon. Finally, not long after I moved to Sudbury, I called her and she had a different response. She decided that what would work would be for me to make another trip to Montreal and we could go over it together. I knew I wanted to be able to include her story in whatever I did with my interviews, so I agreed and made a whirlwind trip back to Montreal.

In some ways I treasure this second visit with her even more than the first. We began by going over the transcript. She had already looked at it in detail and she knew where she wanted to add things and make changes. We took care of that piece of business within an hour or two. Yet she was still eager for me to stay and talk. She made us lunch, which she was still able to do at that point but only very slowly and with great care. And she talked. She knew I was now living in Sudbury, so she talked about her visits to the city in the 1960s during the great struggles between the United Steel Workers and the Mine Mill union. The latter was an independent and very left-wing union at that time, and in earlier years it had organized all of the mines in Sudbury. The Steel Workers raided them repeatedly in the ’60s, and Mine Mill counter-raided (with the eventual equilibrium of Inco’s workers going with Steel and Falconbridge’s staying with Mine Mill). Too few of Mine Mill’s organizers were francophone, and that in a city that is 30-40% francophone, so Madeleine agreed to come and lend a hand. I also remember her talking about going on the first Quebecois delegation to post-revolution China — two of the other participants in the delegation included then-intellectual and future Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and future Senator Jacque Hebert. She gave a long, humorous account of the trip, in which Trudeau and Hebert tried their best to ignore her existence — they wrote her out of the book they later published about the voyage — while she, as the one with the most solidly established leftist credentials, was the member of the delegation treated most seriously by their Chinese hosts, which meant that Trudeau and Hebert couldn’t help but depend on her at some moments. Alas, I did not have a recorder running for these stories, but I will always treasure my opportunity to hear them.

We didn’t keep in touch much after that, but I’ve occasionally heard snippets of how she’s doing via my partner, who by chance happened to develop professional connections with a couple of the women who were, for awhile, part of the informal feminist circle of care-provision for Madeleine. (One of those women is also the daughter of the man who was Madeleine’s lawyer in the long-ago seditious conspiracy case.) I knew Madeleine’s health had been deteriorating over a number of years and that various aspects of her circumstances had become difficult, but I knew few details. And now, after a long and full life, I am sorry to hear that she is gone. Not many young activists know her name, I suspect, but she was truly an inspirational figure in the 20th century social movements of northern Turtle Island, and her life has much to teach us.

Along with my own work that talks about some of her involvement in movements, you might also be interested in checking out this collection of material about her from 2005, this biography of her late husband and co-organizer published in 1980, and also Judy Rebick’s oral history of the Canadian women’s movement, which included material from an interview with Madeleine about some of her feminist involvement.

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First Production Email!

Late last week, I received the first email of the production process from the publisher. This is definitely an exciting thing, even if it is still fairly preliminary and even though the need to invest significant energy at an unspecified date in dealing with suggested edits still looms over my intense work schedule for the coming month. However, the publisher has come back with somewhat different titles for the books than I originally submitted. In some ways this is a good thing, as the titles I submitted were long and clunky and I was never entirely happy with them, and the new titles are simpler, cleaner, and definite improvements in a number of practical respects. However, I was taken by surprise by the fact that the words “talking radical” have been removed completely from the titles. There is no particular reason why that phrase needs to be in there in terms of the books themselves, but I have invested considerable energy in putting together this site under that banner. As well, while I suspect the new titles are a bit more consistent with how the publisher intends to market the books, I still need some way to refer to (and talk up) these books as one thing, one accomplishment.

After reflection and consultation, I have decided that I am not going to try and argue the change, but rather I am going to proceed such that my own work to promote the books will still treat Talking Radical as the name of the overall project, and Gender and Sexuality: Canadian History Through the Stories of Activists and Resisting the State: Canadian History Through the Stories of Activists as two products of that project. (I have some ideas for things I may wish to do once my current brief foray into studenthood has ended, and at least one of those could conceivably be fit under this now-expanded understanding of the Talking Radical banner.)

Anyway, I’m off to make the relevant changes of language to the static pages on the site and to reply to the email from the production team — it is my one chance to make suggestions about cover design, and I want to make it count. Yay!

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